taxes back to the pre-bush rates. he gets all tax increases and can blame the ones not popular on republicans for not negotiating. he gets something he'll never get, never get in a negotiation. if you look at the spending cuts, half out of defense, half out of domestic. defense makes up 16% of the budget. the rest is domestic. there's no way that you're going to have any kind of budget deal that's negotiated that's going to take as much as r out of defense. >> you think he has leverage because he can say go over the cliff. >> he wants the defense cuts. he gets all of the defense cuts, more than he would get in a negotiation and all of tax increases, including the money from the unpopular ones. he wants the money because he wants more spending -- wants to be able to spend more. and he gets really a fairly small down payment on domestic discretionary cuts, half a trillion dollars is a drop in the bucket of what we have to do. he gets two things he wants. >> one of things he's going to be facing in the second term is a m